Leaving Santeria? Don’t throw your Orishas down the river…

La Lupe, did she make a mistake abandoning her Orishas?

I have heard over and over the same story, people who are initiated into Santeria and for their own personal reasons, whatever they may be, one day they decide they want to leave Santeria and simply throw away their orishas down the river. Capital mistake, huge mistake, a mistake that can cost a person their very own life.

Let me start with a case I know from firsthand experience. Timothy was one of my best friends and in time he became my godson, but his path to my Yemayá was not free of accidents and woes.

Tim, my husband and I all received the warriors, elekes and Olokun around the same time from the hands of Omi Oké in San Antonio, TX. Back then, Tim was in a huge hurry to amass initiations as he dabbled in many things from Kabalah to Ceremonial Magic to…Santeria. I used to tease him calling him ´degree collector´ but he never took offense to it and I held hopes that one day he would simply commit to one spiritual path. Contrary to Tim´s point of view, for my husband and I, the orisha are not a destination, they are our lifetime path to travel.

One day, I went to visit Tim and I had the most disgusting feeling as I stepped into his home. I asked to salute Elegua and to my horror I found the orisha covered in offerings, old stale candies and lots of nasty cockroaches and bugs. I immediately made him clean Elegua and disinfect the area. I was visiting Tim because he had had a series of mishaps and strange things happening, now you can see that Mr. Personality was upset and trying to get attention. A long conversation with Tim followed; I then discovered that he wanted to get rid of his orishas. I was shocked that he would consider that step after spending so much money on the initiations and being in such a hurry to get all of them. But in reality his reasons to return the orisha were very childish. Therefore, I advised him to simply take them back to our godfather and not throw them away. He followed my advice.

Less than a week later Tim had a terribly car accident after blacking out from a diabetic seizure and nearly lost his life in the process. The accident happened at a crossroads a block away from his home. I guess Mr. Personality was not very happy to have been returned in such haste.

Tim´s life was never the same after returning his orishas. Years later, I was already an olosha and he came to me wanting to receive the elekes again. I consulted with Yemaya, my head orisha and she blessed him with a second chance by allowing him to enter the ilé with an eye ife. Yemayá wanted to save him from what was coming: Ikú. I did all I could for Tim, from taking him to Ifá to doing very strong ebbós with my babá Iwori Oddí who warned him of impeding death. Tim had a bypass surgery and he came out well from it, however, his desire to live had dwindled and he did not follow up with the medical and spiritual advice that he had received. He died 48 hours after the surgery. I miss my godson and friend with all my heart for he was a kind human being, filled with complexities and a very talented astrologer.

Getting rid of the orishas is not a decision to be made lightly, having the blessing to come back to them and not heed their warnings is even worse.

There is another case I know of first hand. A lady was referred to me seeking immediate advice on what to do to turn her life around. She had received elekes, warriors and Olokun and after getting a reading with a self-righteous and meddlesome Tarot card reader she decided to get rid of them because the card reader convinced her that the orishas were ´evil.´ The card reader’s advise was to ´throw the orishas down the river.´ The nerve! So the woman who was not doing well to begin with made the huge mistake to follow the card reader’s advice. Her life went to hell in a hand basket and now she is in the process of sorting it out with the help of an experienced awó Ifá I recommended as they live in the same area and I don’t believe in long-distance readings.

If you are considering taking an initiation, do yourself a favor and think about it carefully as it is time consuming, costly and it means a lot to commit to a godparent, an ilé and mainly to the orishas to then decide years or months later to get rid of it all.

For those who have taken the step of doing kariosha (ceremony to become an olosha or priest in Santaria) I have news for you; there is no way of getting rid of the orisha once it is seated on your head. You can do as many ceremonies as you want, you can renounce the orishas until you are blue on the face, you can do a hunger strike, you can do as you please, but the orisha will be sealed inside your skull until you take your last breath and itutu follows.

What happens if you are an olosha and you get rid of your orishas? I would tell you to ask La Lupe, but she is long gone to live at the foot of the Egun. La Lupe was an extraordinary Cuban singer from the 1950s, she was also a devout Santera crowned Oshun. Her life was marked with fame as she was admired and followed by renowned people like Ernest Hemingway, Jean Paul Sartre and even Marlon Brando. Her career took a turn for the worse in the late 1970s when Fania Records dropped her after her performances became unstable, some say due to drug issues. The orishas and drugs are like a powder keg and a lit match. Those of you who are serious about the orishas know for a fact they do not mix with the underworld of drugs or of shady lifestyles and eventually they will punish those who transgress and not heed their advice. La Lupe injured her spine in 1984 after taking a fall while hanging curtains in her home, she was ‘healed’ during an Evangelical Crusade and became a born again Christian getting rid of her orishas in the process. She died in 1992 from a heart attack at the age of 52. Hmmm…Oshun rules over the blood stream and all things related to affairs of the heart… I guess La Yiyiyi broke her Yeye’s heart and perhaps, Oshun in turn, had La Lupe’s heart in exchange.

Are these stories examples of how the orisha can be slow to punish but crushing in their efforts? Are our orishas vengeful orisha or are these simply coincidences? I for once not going to be one to tempt fate and get rid of my orishas, only death can break this bond and ‘spiritual contract’ I have freely and lovingly accepted.

However, not all live in spiritual bliss with their chosen paths like I do, so if you are considering a drastic break, please do yourself a favor and take proper steps. Go to a competent oriaté and get a diloggún reading or go to an awó Ifá and get a consultation with Orunmila, but most of all do the ebbós marked, find ways to mitigate issues if you are wanting to get rid of your orishas due to clashes with godparents or other issues that may be fixable.

The orisha will bless you if you give them a chance and follow advice, otherwise you may find yourself facing a long road to heartache and loss. In any case it is your decision to make, may you always have the serenity of mind to make the right choices for your growth and the development of good character.

Oní Yemayá Achagbá

268 Replies to “Leaving Santeria? Don’t throw your Orishas down the river…”

  1. Hello omimelli, this really gave me insight on a lot. I’m a new initiate and I love the religion. Some people will never understand as to why but we know the true meaning. I wish to be in contact with you. For advice, questions, & concerns I want to be at my best and fulfill my destiny to be spiritually connected with the Orishas. Thank you so much. please get back to me at the email. Blessings to you.

    1. I believe there are special situations where you must release your orisha. When you are given Ocha by a money hungry oriate and socialpath godmother who’s intent was to harm you. By make your kari ocha in, Washing your otans in poison and feeding your orishA awa’s. And As a iyawo you just trust them. Suddenly as a iyawo you don’t know why your life is going to hell in a hand basket. You go to various Babalow’s and Oriate’s, begin to read and learn, and you soon you discover that your just scratching the surface on how many wrongs were done during your ocha out pure male, greed and power, that no one knows really how to fix The situation….
      every ones situation is different, so to say don’t release your orisha, I don’t support this. Why lose your life because someone says not to get ride of your orisha?

    2. I believe there are special situations where you must release your orisha. When you are given Ocha by a money hungry oriate and socialpath godmother who’s only intention was to control and harm you. Who really isn’t running and ile at all but a personal cult. Gives you kari ocha. Washes your otans in poison and feeding your orishA awa’s. As a iyawo you just trust your gotparents because you don’t know any better. Suddenly your life is going to hell in a hand basket. You soon discover that you don’t even know the half it. So many things done before during and after your ocha. All for greed and power, that no one knows really how to fix The situation….
      I say this to say: every ones situation is different. so to say; “don’t release your orisha” I believe is irresponsible and unreasonable and I don’t support this. I have ocha. But having ocha and having some rocks are not the same. What about those who were brought over from Africa, during the transatlantic slave trade? I gurantee you they didn’t have any rocks with them. Does that mean they would be punished by olofi? You have to think and use common sense in this religion. Why lose your life because someone says not to get ride of some rocks?

  2. I think the example of LA Lupe may not be.the best..She was truly healed in another religion. The simple fact she died young..just means she went to another place and was spiritually elevated..sooner than most.Being in Ocha ..she had a horrible downfall before she found peace in another religion.Testimonies show she found peace in Christianity..something she never did in Ocha.

    1. Very well said.. La lupe found the healing the santeria could not provide. That’s automatic respect. I also dont agree that if you leave your saints it will bring you bad what brings bad is worshiping rocks that in actuality is a myth and we dont know what really we are worshiping to all those stories and sacrifices have no background of stated facts its all myths and black magic. There’s only one true god that left a bible for us to follow.

      1. Caridad,

        One true God? And he left a Bible? Lady, please, the bible was not written overnight by one author or left behind by God to follow. Ignorance begets ignorance and we do not worship rocks, however, explaining our religion to you would be as fruitful as planting seeds on dry barren land. Be learned and then offer opinions.


      2. Caridad
        Having been born Catholic. .been in Islam,a devotee of an extremely powerful and rare spiritual master ,and also making Ocha and Ifa I can tell you that everyone has a different destiny regarding religion. .although in Islam I felt the love and presence of the Supreme ..it was not my destiny. .per what my soul. .Ori wanted. The one God is far to infinite IMO to be confined to any one religion on this tiny ethereal planet we live.on..If you feel God’s presence worshiping Jesus Christ great for you. But the Orishas provide great great protection. ..and I was the original poster above..mc..different religions for different destinies

        1. What if you weren’t part of their religion but your friend, ( the Santeria ), gave you a bracelet. Can I be able to give it back or give the bracelet to the church if I don’t want it any longer?

    2. Absolutely. Although the commentary by practitioners in Voodoo are considerate they are also extremely naive. Most cannot & do not have the power of true spiritual discernment. The priests of Ifa only scratch the surface in all their diversity and abilities & generally must search themselves for unanswered answers from other systems of thought & God service. This is because they will admit the entire systems base & origin is absolute darkness& evil. Where Lucero( Lucifer) announces itself 3 times . Twice as the Prince of Darkness. On the 3rd announcement he it will announce itself as Satan — prince of darkness. Elegua will announce itself as Elegua– The spirit of eternal damnation. When you have the ability to see , feel & hear the Voodoo forces they are honest enough to not care to pretend to you — they come straight up. No more disguises. As the first book from an authentic ifa priest from Yoruba translated into the first book in American English said : ” another name for Irish is legion. Then he quoted the bible of all things & said : Call them legion for they are many.” In the bible the person who was possessed by the filthiest deplorable demons was called Legion in the New Testament. I always found it interesting that he should see the 2 examples as one. Honesty is a good thing. No surprises. Its a commonality in Santeria for oloshas in their final days to claim the orishas lied to them about everything. It is a system based on lies. Demons mascarading as saints & in Palo mayombe ( a stupid name) as sticks are the least likely thing associated with their nganga pots. They are not brujos & brujas ( witches, male & female) –but Diableros. Workers of demons.Their practitioners won’t tell you it is anything else so why give it a name that is antiquated at best & false by its truth? They will tell you zarabanda is ogun . Lucero is Elegua. Siete rayos is Chango . Then they will tell you basically they are demons who need your blood to confiscate your spiritual inheritance towards God or anything that would allow you freedom & free choice to be bargained away. Hence the term nganga which translates to bargain with the Devil. Sad that the forces of Voodoo relate to themselves as such as most people getting involved with the system is looking to evolve from such pathetic & primitive connections to antiquated religion only to find these forces can’t & won’t evolve because they’re contend being considered loathsome & cruel. The practioners of Santeria attach their own concepts of good & morality to the system of Voodoo but the forces they learn to worship never signed on to those human interpretations as they are closer to the mentality of the insect world & need our human blood to able to subdue our ancestors who have died in light to drag them down to an undending hell where even some are transformed into newly demons known as Palo muertos or Diablo muertos. What a spiritual crime and defilement to allow such evil to permeate the earth. Only then can the spirit demon of the gnanga pot finger you for all the weight of the karma of its onto you for killing your ancestors & betraying their trust with your sacred blood whom you do not own. So of course everyone who leaves Voodoo does better. Its a mathematical certainty. Its only the jealous demon loving practitioners of Voodoo who try to harm you for leaving. That’s how they spend most of their entire time in misery & trying to make people pay for having the good sense to leave& this from a lifetime of personal experience!!!

        1. Steve. ..you know nothing of IFA….any experienced Awo will honestly say they too know little of IFA..too vast..and don’t compare Palo with the Orisha. .different. .

      1. The demonology stuff is nonsense, although it is true an orixas will sometimes playfully illustrate how much you don’t know about them and yourself. Basically the problem is: you have committed to a responsibility, something you didn’t fully understand (like enrolling for college, getting married, having a child or many other things you can’t predict). If you realize it’s too much, not what you thought, etc. you WILL have trouble within, both from the pressure of the commitment and internal pressure to be reliable. I have been a lousy, crummy devotee & lived disorganized, but I can say for sure that it’s not their fault. xD If you face these beings directly & explain what’s up, it can be as loving and cathartic as having a much-needed discussion with a relative. (I realize that is not easy sometimes) And a professional can help advise & do the messy work/technical work. My only difficult experiences have been with community members either shutting me out, sexist dudes, language barriers, or people who just want the $. The orixas were never a prob. You CAN talk with them if you are willing to listen.

      2. Can you please tell me how you know so much about this religion? I am very interested on your take on this, you seem like you know what you are talking about is this from experience?

  3. I think Santeria is a spiritual lifestyle and path, and it is more than just beads and statues. They aren’t just statues/beads they are vessels for the spirits energy to be directed into. Any spirit is very powerful and influential in a life. Especially after a oath, or a initiation has happened to connect the individual to the house and to the spirits of Santeria or what have you.

    You don’t have POWER over the objects after they have been empowered with the energy of a spirit, that spirit has the power over that object and influences your life. And helps you on your journey.

  4. To Omimelli and all other posters:
    About the fate of God child and
    A few other personal things to share….to vent:

    I Just want to say that first off, i truly respect this religion (some say ancient Yoruba people didn’t consider it religion, but a way of Life because African people couldn’t even imagine being inseperable from nature forces…we are the ones who religiousize d it .Not saying it’s a bad thing though because we are in the western world now.. So that’s just the circumstances.

    My connection to It:

    I VERY HIGHLY respect Ifa, Lucumi, Santeria…and especially Elegua.
    I was a part of a house about 13 years ago, and received elekes and although i at first liked my god mother and god father and god children.
    I started noticing shady motives and unfairness etc, and i, as well as other god children eventually left at different times.
    Ironic about your post, is that as a couple of years passed and i didn’t know what to do about elekes, i did return them to the river, off of instinct, and from no ones advice.
    I did it out of respect with a prayer and told them , i am without a god mother now and the path didn’t work out so im returning you to the elements of nature.

    I didn’t have any evil calamities or such happen to me . But for years i dealt with my own darkness unresolved from childhood pain afflicting me, and definitely from parental Dna influences (their unresolved issues which i cleansed spiritually ) also from a few readers it was agreed that i been hexed once badly by a woman ( keep in mind this is before i became a part of house)
    Also supposedly, one other time i discovered many years late r from a palero something else about a evil put on me by use of a grave yard spirit to drive me mad to death eventually.
    This is a mystery, but truth is when i was younger i use to be a bragger , kind of arrogant and made people instantly jealous soon as i talked for one minute.
    Being born with spiritual power (and according to my God parents reading) being a child of Elegua, i was being reckless and abusing of my power, so had to pay for it many years later, with harsh trials from my own self inflicted psychological hells.. And unresolved pain from childhood .
    However despite that, my Luck, and very strong guidance and protection still remained always kicking in at the right time to this day (that is something i was born with, from my Ori, ancestor blessing, and certain guides)
    I don’t want to make it sound completely dark and gloomy because i truly appreciate my blessed luck and spiritual power (ability to see interdimensionally in the most shocking ways
    With countless stories to prove we are living in a dream realm, like the shamans always said)

    To the.point:

    Not to drift to far off the point, but what i want to say is that there is no proof that the Orishas punished me in my dark times of life.
    Being extremely perceptive, and intelligent i could trace back all my sources of pain to me! And DEFINITELY from Dna memory from parents (which i cleansed)
    The average person walking so unconscious can’t !
    Everyone claims, oh it was the devil that punished me, god, Chango that is punishing me, oh Elegua is tricking me/punishing me (

    (Lmao, speaking of Elegua, in my experience with working with Elegua i don’t see him as a trickster at
    But the most fun, interesting, Loving companion , and very wise but ironically a joking child..PEOPLE TRICK THEMSELVES! He just shows you what was the hidden agenda behind your fake claim of righteousness!
    Then him being merciful, will still give you an opportunity to clean up your act by learning from your mistake)
    So, for
    The example of your God child hopping all around with different spiritual endeavors . it was him that was bringing in too much energies around him.
    For anyone this can start to break down your body , mind and of course in the form of externalization of bad luck ,, bringing in too many spirits!
    Where is the proof that the Orishas brought him death???
    Just because the reading said Iku was approaching him?

    I do think Orishas can punish, but i doubt if any babalo, or santero can give any proof ever that they killed a person.
    Orishas are the externalized representation of primal energies connected to you.
    They are actually a part of our bodies that take a seperate very high conscious form.
    (similarly as we have a Ego, higher self and physical body that acts on their own but still all you)
    And indeed like over drinking, a overdose on cocaine etc or even good herbs for the body can be abusive to the point of your demise.
    So taking this analogy/ perspective in my opinion is more wise.

    I don’t know your full background etc, and don’t deny you are knowledgeable (maybe very)
    But i think that putting out this type of info in generalized way like this is a bit reckless.
    Its the same fearmongering that a lot of spiritual systems use like Christians with hell
    How about a thousand people that said they did leave after they were crowned or threw orishas in the river or gave to the earth and their lives remained normal , flourished etc??
    Ive read testimonies of people leaving even after crowned and are Christians or of another faith and are fine.

    Where i stand now, with Orishas:

    As for me i have a, pocket elegua that has become like a dear friend to me ,.
    Also, i set him on the dresser with toys , rum and candy like a received one. and i can tell you some MIND BLOWING stories on how powerful he has become, and what he shows me..i could bet just as powerful ly charged or more than a received /prepared one.

    There are things i won’t DARE SAY if i was in a spiritual house (ile)
    Itll be too much Jealousy, maybe even from God parent themself!
    Like “What, he does these things for you??!”

    Bottom line, conclusion, i told the ancestors and my dear Elegua, i love you guys but going to take a break from Shamanic world to half (50% less)
    Im going to be tuning more into my body with yoga, nutrition, fitness, hobbies, maybe entertaining a new soul mate 🙂
    Down to earth for a minute.

    After a journey of a lot of emotional pain and strife, being stuck in my head,
    I made a 100% commitment to Loving and healing myself. I can finally look in the mirror eye to eye and say “I
    “I Love myself.”
    Well at least to a very higher degree.
    And im proud of that accomplishment. Because truthfully most people in the world , even Stars or people with titles of Success can’t say.

    As for my pocket elegua i debate on giving him back to the priest of Obatala
    I got him from. And just work with.him. At crossroads, parks, playground etc

    Only because after all that i been through, i now need to work with mainly my Ori. And my own self love.
    And because i feel i should calm down on strengthening of Elegua with out higher guidance from a god parent or commitment.
    I don’t feel it would be any bad thing but don’t know the repercus sions if you stop feeding him for a while.
    Im just using wisdom/precaution.
    i kind of feel since i didn’t recieve him personally that it won’t be a big deal.

    Every human being has a right to know himself more.
    So many people in the religion forget or ignore your Ori is considered higher then all Orisha
    (Oludamare, then Ori, then Ancestors, then comes Orisha respectively!
    Im a Aleyo, and hold this as common sense, but with delusion we all sometimes forget,
    And ask orishas for too much of what we supposed to sort out for ourselves)
    I NEVER EVER want to be like one of those people over-relying on saints for everything.
    Casting shells for every answer to my life.

    I will always leave some kind of offering out of respect ESPECIALLY for Elegua, my belovit gorgeous Ochun and Yemaya.

    Something to consider:

    I bet you ironically if you research a aleyo that gives his heart in a offering to a Orisha twice a year may get a far more powerful response than someone who projects too much of their life force into the religion.
    Ive seen santero, palero, initiate s etc with a gloom on their faces with a look like they almost bored with their way of life, and a look of strife .

    A house for me in the Future:

    As far as me finding a house, that may not be for
    A very long time…or ever.
    I know the religion definitely is a community thing ideally, but its a rock and a hard place with the petty jealousy, swindlers, selfish god parents etc…..its sad to mess up such a beautiful way of life, and the reputation is getting worse…smh

    Just wanted to.share my opinion on being more discerning of generalizing the fate of everyone the same in the religion, because the unfortunate fate of your godchild doesn’t mean its the same for everyone .
    And also to share my own reflections on my spiritual journeys related to ifa /santeria etc.

    Take care,
    Thanks for reading!

    1. Hi Jordan B.
      I just wanted to say that I agree with your opinion on being more discerning of generalizing the fate of everyone in the religion. I have to say that I found myself agreeing with mostly everything you said in respect to Santeria. As far as my involvement in Santeria, I was initiated and given elekes a few years ago by my cousin who was godmother. However, if I’m not mistaken after a certain ‘palo initiation ceremony’ I woke up early in the morning around 3am only to hear a flood of distorted voices in a language I have never heard before. I don’t know how to explain it really. It freaked me out so much that I guess you can say I chickened out and decided to altogether leave the religion. The very next day I found myself at my local Catholic church confessing what had happened the night before. I also ended up giving away my elekes to my dad and he threw them out. To this day, I still have respect for the Santeria religion because I know I witnessed some unexplainable things happen.

      1. Taina

        Ask what you need to ask here. I respond on the blog, it may help others as well who could have similar questions.


    2. wonderfully expressed, yes… especially for children of Eleggua: we just have to face our part in this right out the gate xD

  5. my husband in a new initiateI did not know how much he was involved. He is very sick now and I want him to get care elsewhere. Can his saints travel ( we have 2 homes) or do they have to stay in one place.

  6. @cj.
    Yes u can travel with your otanes and warriors.Bundle up Eshu and only bring otanes of Ogun with a few of his tools.
    @Jordan.yes I’ve experienced such horrible evil in this religion. .ocha,Ifa ..and of course been victimized by the evil sister Congo religion of Palo.They all can inflict horrible physical ,mental and emotional damage . unfortunately the religions are done in such way that the person initiating you has great power and control over you. Only if one s destiny is to be a priest in the religion and their road is blocked if they not follow it..should one enter it.IMO from experience. Although I’ve never felt malevolence from Orunmila or the Orisha. ..the religion gives those who initiate far too much power through witchraft over their Godchildren.

    1. I really dont know too much about the religion at all. But from various readings from different folks in different traditions, I have found them to be very unreasonable and overly demanding in exchange for what you end up having to do yourself anyway. A woman recently, who has no ties whatsoever to the religions but just a reader, told me Nana B, also called the Supreme God, “lied to me to make me turn away from my true guide and from Obatala”????what???? Then told me that he obatala, said I will only talk to him and eshu. Another priest told me an aspect of obatala, danbala, is causing me to lose everything and causing all manner of unjust misfortune until I marry him. I dont think its fair for ANY spirit to sabotage and wreak havoc over your personal life and human needs out of petty selfishness. Any ideas on this? How to stop it? I am not even an initiate but being bullied, I NEVER will be now.

  7. While I don’t discount the anecdotes as true or false, the lens with which they are being interpreted is very superstitious. It is very very simple: If you don’t tend to the Orisha, they withdraw their protection. It is not vengeful or spiteful. These people who died because they weren’t practicing simply met the fate that was probably dealt to them had they not been crowned. Stop with the spooky sword or retribution. That’s a Christian thing.

    1. Lily,

      Yes I do, but only when I have time available. I work for a living on something not related to Santeria and I like keeping it that way, it makes me not be a merchant of the religion.


      1. I appreciate priests who know they came to serve, not suck money out of people who need help. Thank you for your real service.

  8. Hello everyone I am new to this forum and I’ve been told that mother oshun is the orisha with me. I have someone that does work for me and I am a little unsure of some her readings. I do have an altar set up for her in my home and was wanting to know what are the signs that you have upset the orisha?

    1. Tiff,

      I don’t know why you would think you have angered or upset Oshun. People may give you their impression as to who may be or not your main orisha, however the only way to know is by officially determining your guardian angel. The rest is all heresay.

      Why do you think Oshun is upset?


  9. I wanted to know was it ok to switch ile’s , because I’ve been down for about 3 months want to make sure my work was done right because i haven’t made any sacrifice or feedings but I’ve received my ogun chain from a man an my eleeke from a woman and my oya eleeke also i haven’t had reading every since because it was like i got trick by child of esu and he told me that he was going to take me to a lady name tiniboo so i gave him 140 and that day i only received my ogun chain which took 2 mins and esu told me toni boo wasn’t in town right now so wen she get back she was gone do my reading so I’m like bet my money is covered cause I wanna make sure everything is done right so wen i finally meet tiniboo after weeks she told me i had to pay cause esu never gave her the money so in my reading i had to do a few ebos wit 2chickens she told me to bring 61 dollars and to come back next time wit that and we where going to do the work but wen i go over instead i received my eleekess that night and after that she ask for the 61 dollars and payed the man and the lady that was helping out so then i felt tricked a little ceremony took 3 hours but we didn’t do the chickens and i went back a while after that because someone owed me omoney and in my reading she told me that it was a way to get it back so the same person who played m out my money did the work for me tin in boo told him to mix alotta hot stuff together in this glass jar and i had to write to shango about what happen n the esu mixed it up while they told me to fold it all the way up and the esu dropped it inside the we went out to to the orichas and we use to shakers and esu u called on him then he passed the shakers to me and i asked that he hel me get my money back and the we buried it in the back yard and i haven’t been to the ile every since and i want to connect and feed my ancestors and the orichas bad , its jus how the whole situation is set up that got thinking crazy but i still praise my elekes and ogun oya everyday i just wanna make sure I’m not caught up in a scheme because i take this IFA stuff serious

    1. Jordan,

      Your story is very hard to follow, but for the looks of it, you are not being taken seriously and the things you are receiving do not sound to me like they are legitimate.

      Follow your insticts and think carefully of what you want to do with your spiritual life.


  10. I am in the religion for 2years and it’s sad to say the feelings I had when I first started to now are on completely different side. I believe in the Santos and I wish them the best but I don’t want them in my house no more. How can I send them off in a peaceful way without being harmed by them? I need help

  11. I am in the religion for 2years and it’s sad to say the feelings I had when I first started to now are on completely different side. I believe in the Santos and I wish them the best but I don’t want them in my house no more. How can I send them off in a peaceful way without being harmed by them? I need help

    1. I know exactly how you feel. I only received my elekes and warriors over a year ago and gave them back the same week to my padrino due to confusion and fear that struck out of nowhere after. My life has been the same a year later. I am blessed. The blood of Jesus protects and heals. Give them back to your godparents and trust in Christ. Turn to him for all you need

    2. Hello my name is Diana and I’ve been a Santira going on 18 year’s my husband and youngest are also santiros. Understand and so sorry for what you are going through start by telling you we ent

      1. We didn’t know wat we were getting ourselves into but truly thought it was for the good for protection from bad people it’s a long story anyway loved and believe that it was real cuz I’m a type of Person that needed prove to believe had all this unexplainable dreams and weren’t to sure if it was real wat my spirits were wanting know something very confused was getting so much information things that I didn’t know if it was real and or didn’t want to except it cuz told me things of my love ones my husband started to say and later to everyone I was crazy and even made me and everyone to believe could be true so one day just stood in front of them and ask them for proof. I d had still felt guilty and wasn’t sure about this religion cuz of things I heard and know about wat God says.But I began to shown and see proof. I was convenience it was real I wasn’t crazy .But came to a point I didn’t want to dream or know cuz found out information I didn’t want to believe. I got deeper and knowing of also the bad in this religion.Seeing how they lie and how stolen so much money but I then understood the hard work and wat it took and why it cost and charged wat they changed but I have to emit alot of times was too much and didn’t like it. So I said to my self OK Diane not only did we pay alot of money I’m in this already they can do wat they want and knowing there’s Good and bad in this religion it’s wat ur gonna make of it. And I did see their supposed to guide u teach u. We didn’t get any of it. I guess this is want of the reasons I believed cuz no one showed me my spirits and Santos gave me the knowledge.Well called out my padirno that I knew about him don’t get me wrong he was good at the religion but also knew he was a very good con artist

  12. This is not a religion. This is a science which assumes the reality of a spiritual universe. Religion and superstition are based on belief. Science is based on knowledge. It is more than ironic that people who mindlessly serve the very institution that doomed us to perpetual slavery have the nerve to accuse the Orishas of evil.

  13. Hi I remember when I avoided the knowledge my life was the hell you speak of. I am seeking the knowledge that I am led to seek. I am trying to gain my knowledge however I THINK I live in a place where I am the cheese standing alone. If anyone can assist me with finding someone in El Paso, TX. I am reading and joining groups online……but EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is so far away. I am trying to study Yoruba… And if I did not say it the way it should be please you all I am trying to learn.

  14. I don’t think any of you have any idea what you’ve gotten yourself into. I myself for manipulated when i was young into this religion. It was all fun and games i thought. Magic!? I mean who really believes in magic? Well it’s real! Real real real! First off we are all stay off here on earth as a smaller part of our own self. That religion takes that from you. It’s like being born free and going to a prison and asking the guards to chain your legs and feet and put you in a cell. It disgust me the way old spirits could play with young souls.

    Imagine a child that has just learned how the pieces on a chess board move and then playing with a wise old chess player. You will get tortured as they eat you slowly.

    This religion should be banned from human history. It is a gateway for a united power of dirt. It will use your mind up till you are fried. (Notice how most of these people are nuts) And in ugly ways. They will mentally abuse you. Haunt your dreams. It’s how these spirits and saints feed. Their food is your haunted soul and they will do everything in their power to break you.

    If anyone is thinking of getting in please take a step back. In order to regain just a part of yourself is very difficult. Very difficult. And if you are in and want to get out the process is almost impossible. First you have to give it all up. Everything. House cars money, give it up. Remember, you lost it all already the day you got in. None of it is real. So give it up. And do it slowly because when you hit rock bottom is hard to get up. Most people never pick themselves up after such a hard fall.

    And you have to because if not you be trapped in their aquarium forever. Eternal. Whatever you choose as work will be a loop. Imagine having to relive your exact life eternally. Imagine never again sleeping because in 8 hours they can use your head to live a whole life.

    The human experience is beautiful. You don’t need to be part of the dirt and grime. Specially not forever. You don’t want to be a toy played by others. If anyone is gonna play you it’s gonna be you.

    This is coming from a person who at first loved it because i didn’t understand. I was one of their drones. A zombie. It took a while to realize that i was being fed $hit. I don’t know if the way to get is really the way I’ve taken but I’ve been able to regain control of my actions. My thoughts. I get haunted every night and most of the time things are out of sync but i try and maintain my sanity understanding that I’m in someone else’s home just trying to get back to mine. Be strong. They will laugh at you. They will torture you. They will use you like a ragdoll. Just be strong and keep your cool.

  15. Hello Omimelli, I have been reading your posts for a few months and really appreciate your insight and reading your experiences.
    I have been initiated for about two years, but for some very strong reasons – ethical and trust reasons — I feel I need to leave my godparent. More immediate is I feel I’m being manipulated in my personal life and have been lied to, only it look me a long time to realize and accept this.

    I do feel very grateful to my godparent for having helped to connect me with my ancestors and with the Orishas. I truly love the Orishas, especially Elegua, even though I know I don’t understand much.

    I have some main concerns and questions, and I would really appreciate any advice you might have, if you are willing –
    1. If I leave my godparent – and at this point I’m fairly sure I have to for my own health and sanity, and own ethical code – can I keep my elekes and otanes and other things, and connect and serve on my own for a while, just as I know how?
    2. I realize it’s offensive to many to switch iles, and might cause embarrassment to my godparent further down the road, which I want to avoid. I have no interest in joining an ile or seeking another godparent for a long, long time, until I’ve resolved my personal issues and can make better decisions about people in the future. So, if I remain the same area, if – and that’s a big “if” – in a few years I think I would like to explore joining a community (in a not so big city) – would people want to know why I left? I should add I’m not “out” in a public way, only to godsiblings.
    3. Finally, as I can’t trust my godparent and feel the intentions are not good – before I have the conversation, is there anything I can do to protect myself spiritually, if my godparent is the type to retaliate in any way (I can’t tell)? Can I even ask Orishas to protect me if my ashe/Orishas were given by my godparent? Is it possible for those in Santeria or Ifa to work in a negative sense against people they feel offended by, even if it’s not for just reasons? I don’t know these things.

  16. Hello, I ALSO am a Stopped road.. My godparents are going through a Divorce doing drugs. I don’t have faith in them anymore . I have my warriors,, elegua,, orula. But every time I need them they are not around I am lost!!!!!
    I don’t trust my godfather and his wife my godmother is never around.
    Can u give me some kind of insight. Pls.

    1. Marielena…
      I would sincerely call on your ancestors. .not whatever spirits are around..if Orishas are proper they should support you..Yes you can leave Iles but IMO if you actually went thru making Ocha ..only then you really give them a derecho .
      UNFORTUNATELY some bad Godparents do bad stuff to former God children. ..so protect yourself with what you have. You may want to seek a babalawo with a good reputation who does not work with them.I feel for you. From experience. Pray to God..Oludumare.If you believe in Christianity, Islam,Hinduism. .etc..pray to those Gods for help..they are very real also.

  17. I dated a guy that practiced santeria years ago. I was about 20 years old. One night I lit a candle and was trying to mentally tell him to call me. (This was before cell phones) I fell asleep then I had a dream that I was sitting all alone in a wooden boat in the middle of water in pitch black darkness. A larger boat pulled up beside my boat. There were people in the other boat trying to get me to get into their boat. I had a very bad feeling. I knew I had to wake up. I kept telling myself in the dream to wake up. I finally woke up from the dream feeling terrified.
    I knew it had to be people connected to the guy I was dating. What I have wondered all these years is what wouldve happened if I had gotten on that other boat in my dream? What were they trying to do to me?

  18. Money that’s all that Santeria is about..power trips..and gripping the lives of people that succumb to whatever necessary to cheat fate and to know answers to things before they happen. What happens when you strive for that?? You sell your soul. Get out while you can however possible…that little voice talking to you asking …really I need to buy so many apples and pears?? Fruits that I don’t even buy to eat on a weekly basis…food that I could donate….?? To be offered and to later rot when it could have fed a child or poor elderly person??

    Your padrino or madrina in the end lives from the religion. Notice how it’s never enough…there is always something to do…some ceremony..each consultation derives something…something has to be offered to some deity.

    1. It’s funny..next time you attend a ceremony..go up to your padrino or madrina and ask them….what you just chanted …what does that mean in Spanish or english??? If they’re honest with you many will reply…I don’t know….but they’ll attribute it to faith.. and like any religion that is what it’s about faith. Numerous songs will be memorized, chants , prayers…all phonetically.

  19. I’ve noticed that people bring Santeria items to Catholic Churches. Does anyone know why they do this? Is it part of a ritual?

  20. OK, but what if someone was never initiated and don’t want this type of energy in life anymore? How to peacefully leave the Orisha?

  21. Hello,
    I am not an initiate, but I have been a very spiritual person from a little girl. I was baptized as Catholic. Many signs were presented to me throughout the years and have been very much confused about them not really understanding much of what these signs mean. I have gone to a woman that has blessed collares for me and at first the spiritual feeling i was receiving kept drawing me to water (mostly rivers and oceans). So I went into a botanica one day and had an attraction to Yemaya and I purchased her and created such a beautiful altar for her. I thought that I put everything she loves on her altar was correct, but just recently the woman I always go to expressed yemaya was offended because I was doing things wrong and the woman kept saying to me “caridad del cobre”. Can you give me some explanation of why? What should I do with my Orisha Yemaya?Am I allowed to have two Orishas in my home? Please give me some feedback.

  22. So my sister found a statue of Olokun in the river while fishing and brought it home because she thought it was cool. It sat in her bathroom for a few years. She recently (like yesterday) gave it to me to figure out who it was. Yesterday, I decided to bring it in the house so I smudged it to get rid if negative energy attached to it. It was covered with rust and barnacles so I cleaned it up and asked the members of a Facebook group I belong to (I’m an eclectic witch) if anyone knew who it was. That’s when it was identified as Olokun. Now I’m not sure what to do with it. I’m afraid to practice my magic in the house because I am not Santeria and I do not want to accidentally accept Olokun as a God/Goddess (Im fairly new and haven’t found a God or Goddess yet. Just praying to the Energy of the Universe). I’m definitely giving it back to my sister when I see her again (probably in 2 weeks). Until then, what do I do with it? I don’t want to kiss off the spirit attached to it, but I don’t want to worship it, either. Should I smudge the house when it leaves? Will any harm come to her if she keeps it? She is Christian and a water sign (Cancer) and said she feels great love for it and doesn’t want to put it back in the water. She said that after she found it, she found a well paying job that she loved, her son’s father began paying child support, and she found a bigger house with rent that cost less. I know nothing about this religion and I don’t want her to get hurt. If she decides to keep it, how should she keep it (offerings, appreciation, etc)? Any kind of advice would be appreciated.

  23. So, I’ve never done the religion. Or the ceremonies or whatever. My mom has always done them for me because I’m never present because I don’t believe in that. One day, I visited her home, and she just randomly put the bracelet on me and I want to throw it away because I don’t believe in that and was never part of the ceremony or when they did all the prayers and stuff. But now I worry if I do get rid of the bracelet, something will happen to me.

  24. To add, I have always been a firm believer of God and he has blessed me so much. And he’s all I want in my life. I’m currently expecting and I’m so scared something will happen to me or my baby. Someone please help me or give me advice on what to do with this bracelet.

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