Are Re-initiations Healthy?

Initiations: A Delicate Subject

In the past few weeks a troubling issue emerged in the Florida orisha community. Elders took matters at hand and gathered to create a treaty or agreement. This is how issues must be addressed, with respect, civility and with the support of elders at large.
The issue was re-initiations. Since The Mystic Cup is not a place to be dogmatic but to share experiences, as blog administrators we have decided to simply provide the information and let any users visit the link enclosed, read it and draw their own conclusions.

Click on the following link to read more about the issues in Florida:

I will say a few things and leave you with some questions about initiations.

1. Every initiation leaves a mark on the initiated. Once you have gone through a process you are no longer a clean slate, an innocence is shed and a new point of view is acquired.
2. When initiations have been done properly, what is the use to re-do them?
3. When initiations have not been performed properly, to what extent can they be repaired? Will the initiate have to deal with deficiencies of atrocities committed by unscrupulous and / or ill trained so called elders?
4. When the goat breaks a drumhead, it must pay with its own skin. Yoruba Proverb. Who carries the blame for an initiation not done properly? Who carries the brunt of the damage?

Oní Yemayá Achagbá

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21 Responses to “Are Re-initiations Healthy?”

  1. wande says:

    re birth ,doing it again or being part of it is like a reminder, time to re think to stop doing the opposite.

  2. Trois Parole says:


    It depends on what was done, if you take something like Palo for example. If a person was scratch on top of a eggun stick instead of a prenda, should he/she redo his/her initiation?

    If someone did ocha and what was crown the wrong orisha what should he or she do?

    In haitian vodou I have met people who had done the asson initiation about three times, which is really rediculous. Papa loko is the spirit that grant the asson to a person. This ceremony is call Suleliye, were your spiritual name as a Houghan or Mambo is given to you. Also, this is were the loa ginea Papa Loko, will say if you are ready to have the Asson.

    If you have done ocha wrong the only thing you can do is really go to ifa and do itefa. That is the only way you can clean the garbage, that was put in your life.

    As far as palo is concern there are instances someone can be reinitiated. For example, if the person was not initiated over a prenda at all. Or if the proper secrets was not put inside of the person during rayado. And even than there should be alot of nsala(spiritual cleanings) before rayado is even redone.

    • Tata Nkisi Lucero Vira Mundo says:

      My grandfather in my adopted line of Palo put it bluntly – you never scratch twice. That is to say, if the initiation was legitimate according to the standards of the lineage you are brought into, their is never a reason to to scratch you again. Redoing a proper ceremony would be like trying to pass through the same womb twice – which you can’t do. You will always be tied in some way to the force that took you through the process of initiation.
      A false initiation, however, is another issue altogether. Some Rama will have different standpoints, but this is what i adhere to.

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